The Torus, Politics, and You

Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:00:00 PDT
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Kimberly: Organic things are messy and I think that our evolution, the evolution of human consciousness and how we get from where we are to a thriving world, it’s going to be a messy process with a lot of stuff that starts and stops and looks like this and then shows up over there and morphs into this. I have a big organic garden and it’s just the way it goes. It’s the way life evolves, is in a messy way and makes quantum leaps and then looks like nothing’s happening and then something else shows up.

I think about what’s happening now and what I notice is it’s just it’s not just the world that I’m in. One of the things is Thrive is just as popular with Republicans as with Democrats as with independents because we transcended this political polarity and got into the principals and that’s where people want to be. We knew it didn’t matter what country you’re in. It doesn’t matter what level of formal education you have. Human beings are meant to thrive. That’s the reality. Just like when you plant a seed, it’s meant to grow into its full glory and something’s been in the way of that happening and we’re reclaiming what that is and making it so that we can thrive and that process is just going to be a messy, organic thing.

Movements are happening and they’re happening all over the place and I just love the international scope of how it’s happening because I think we can learn so much from each other and recognize, like covering the ET phenomenon for example, which was a real controversial thing to do in America, but in other countries where the governments have even acknowledged UFOs and it’s just not big of a deal there. The people there don’t have any resistance and I think that that’s valuable for Americans to see that they might even be a little provincial in this regard. The other thing was that by covering so many different topics, we got folks in the Fed movement to be talking to folks in the new energy movement to be talking to folks who were into ETs who were to talking to folks who were into money. All that kind of stuff has been really fun for the cross-pollination and, again, that’s a messy process too and I just kind of like to see what comes from it.

Foster: We are really, truly at the fork in the road where, for the most part, evolution has happened to us. We realized one day, “Oh look, I’m in a body. I’m human. I’m on this pretty cool planet hurdling through the universe.” And now, the next phase in evolution actually requires our conscious participation. It’s a heavy-duty moment in history, but, man, what a moment to be alive, to be able to participate in making that kind of difference! I wouldn’t trade that for anything.

That’s what is happening with this Solutions Model, too, is that people are coming together, but they begin that process by orienting within themselves. They ask themselves, “What sector am I most interested in or most skilled at? (Ideally both.) Then, they ask themselves, “What’s the level of engagement that really compels me at this particular time in my life? Am I someone who wants to meet immediate needs by feeding hungry people or caring for the sick? Or, am I more of a systems thinker? Do I want to work with the financial system or the political system or the transportation system or something like that to try to improve the lives of people by having better systems?” Or, the third one is, “Am I someone who wants to work on the consciousness shift itself?” because any system is going to be the result of the worldview of the people creating that system and, if it’s an effective system aligned with the patterns of nature, then you’re not going to have as many unmet, immediate needs.

When people identify all of that, and then relate to the people in their community from that orientation, they can just relax and go, “Oh, I get to do my calling and people are going to appreciate it. It’s needed. And, I can also see from this chart that all of the other sectors AND the other levels are also being handled by people or whom that’s their calling.” Then, it’s no long “I’ve got to save the world by myself!” So many activists get burned out with this illusion that you’re alone, but the world is filled with billions of brilliant, creative people and as those people are realizing their uniqueness, but at the same time really joining together in effective, collaborative ways, I am convinced now that it’s unstoppable.

The universe comes in wholes as far as I can tell (w-h-o-l-e) so if you have a partial whirlpool, it just dissipates right away. It actually has to be a full torus for it to last. Obviously, we spent a lot of time in Thrive talking about the Torus because the notion that there is a pattern throughout the entire universe that is the only pattern that sustains itself in a continuous medium is pretty startling, especially given that our evolutionary imperative is to find out very quickly how to create sustainable systems. The fact that the universe is giving us blueprints everywhere we look if we just know how to see it is really important.

Kimberly: One thing about the Torus that was interesting to me in the very beginning was the notion of being distinct and unified. That’s one of the distinguishing features of the fundamental pattern that nature uses at every scale. As a gardener, I see efficiencies in nature like the way you see the phi spiral, the way the fern unfurls is the same way that a fetus unfurls. It’s just a way that growth can happen in proportion so that you don’t get all out of proportion as something grows. So, I saw that kind of thing, but the quality of being distinct and unified like in the movie, we talk about it as a whirlpool in water. So it’s made out of water, but it’s distinct within the body of water that it’s in and to me, that’s the crux of the matter. In a good relationship, it’s “how do we be distinct and unified at once?” That’s the art of any relationship that I’ve ever been in. How do you not lose yourself in the unified field of it, maintain a sense of your own distinct self within it. It’s the same with the people in their communities: people in families, people in communities, communities in larger social structures. All of that, it’s that dynamic tension of “distinct” and “unified” and I think about that a lot. That’s kind of the take home thoughts that I walk around with in terms of the toroidal field.

I picture it in my meditations because I like to feel a part of the cosmic grid, but in terms of really understanding what is this process by which I’m clear about, like when Foster was saying he’s unique, like that’s it. We’re each unique. As much as we’re a part of the collective human reality, there’s actually something distinctly, uniquely called for from each of us. That’s what we’re here for as our own individual vortexes that we are. I like to think in those terms because it helps me to know that that thought that I have or that opinion that I have or that inclination I have, that those matter. It actually matters to pay attention to what’s coming through each of us.

 

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